Climb every mountain – What Emma did next, part 2

by K B , updated on May 11, 2019

Leaping back into the work ‘world’ is a tricky thing. For the first time, you have to balance work life and family life. Remember the good ‘ole days when you could work whatever hours you wanted and then pick up a meal for one or two on the way home? You could watch the news in all its goriness and have a sensible conversation without interruption. As a mum, those glory days are behind me, for now. It is hard to find a job that fits in with the busy family lifestyle. Nearly four weeks ago, I had an awesome interview for a great job. Did I get it? Who knows? I’m still waiting to find out.

It’s funny when your job journey can be read through your friends’ reactions. A few of mine have been following my job journey with great excitement. At first they were positive about my chances. Their eyes were aglow, when I declared, “I have an interview!”. As the weeks ticked by, the sparkle in their eyes dimmed and work conversation was cut to a brief whisper, “So have you heard?”. Tired of all this uncertainty, I was determined to find out what was happening. So, I sent the ‘man’ a short email, saying something like, “just wondering how the job hunt is progressing”. He answered three days later saying that he would be making the big decision this week.

So, the phone has gone back on to the ‘deafening’ setting; it has been my constant companion. It is now the end of THE week and still no word (though I still have three hours to go). While I’m not putting all my eggs in the one basket, it would be nice to get an answer. However, I have put out the word to some more contacts and have received positive feedback and they have me in mind for future projects. Bubble, bubble, bubble. It is an exciting time. Although, I never want to get too carried away and forget that my main mission in life is to bring up happy, confident and whole kids! Which is a Master’s degree in itself.

I have been a person who has never been comfortable with the idea that you can ‘have it all’. I think I was too afraid to have that ideal in my head, just in case it wasn’t really achievable. But, deep down, it is something I really want. I want to work as a freelance writer from home. I want to pick up my kids from school and have afternoon tea and chat and soothe and teach. I want to volunteer at school and know who their friends are. I want to write and learn and grow my skills. I don’t know if this job is IT. But I’m going to “climb every mountain” as Maria sang and dare to enjoy the lows as well as the highs. So tune in next time, I may have news!

Emma Watson

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The Silent Treatment: Don’t take it personally

by K B , updated on November 11, 2020

Why don’t recruiters call back?

I receive a lot of complaints from job-seekers about recruiters who don’t return their  telephone calls. In fact it’s the number one complaint I hear. To not have your call returned is frustrating in normal circumstances, but it’s even more frustrating if you’re waiting on the answer on a role. I can’t really point the finger too much here. I found it difficult to manage my workload and return candidates’ calls when I was a new consultant.  So I am guilty myself.

I want to give you the perfect answer on how to woo your consultant, so they’ll readily get back to you, but I can’t. But what I can give you is an insight into the industry from my time at the coal face, and from the many conversations I had with industry leaders, consultants and candidates when I’ve written on the industry.

If you understand why it happens, and that it happens to most people, at least you may not take it too personally. Although it feels personal, in many cases, it’s not.

So why don’t recruitment consultants return candidates’ telephone calls?

Although there is some move to change this, most recruitment agencies pay their consultants a hefty commission when they’ve placed you in a role. No surprises here. Most people know this.  But what this means in practice is that if you are not a hot candidate about to sign on the dotted line from an interview the consultant has organised,  you will not be a priority. So, for example, a consultant may not return your calls for feedback on your resume, give you an answer from the client about an interview you may have attended and not won, or perhaps provide you with information about pay.

The other thing is to remember is that often agencies will not pay their consultants commission until they meet their targets. So again, if you are not at some point in the line up to be placed in a role, then you are not a priority call. The consultant is focusing on what they need to do to meet their targets.

Thirdly, many agencies manage their consultants on the idea that they “can’t manage what they can’t measure.”  What gets measured, managed and rewarded is “activity” linked to results. One place I worked said we needed to undertake a certain numbers of “activities” to be successful. That activity included sales visits, sales calls and interviews.

Here’s an example to show you what I mean. As consultants we were expected to work off the ratio of bringing five/six candidates into interview with us, then in theory, we would be able to refer three to the client for interview. From that, one person would be successful securing the role. It was the same theory for business development. Ten sales telephone calls to prospective clients should mean three client visits. From three client visits we should receive one order to fill a job.

When I was a consultant, if we did not do the prescribed numbers of interviews, sales calls or sales visits (the success formula) we would not be paid our commission, even if we exceeded our financial targets. On top of that, each week we would have a review of “our numbers.”  Or we may talk about our “numbers” in a group sales meeting. If we wanted to avoid being stressed out in management meetings or the public embarrassment of not achieving our numbers, we made damn sure we did them.

The manage by measure theory is good in theory. But the back-story is to be “careful what you wish for.” Consultants will only work towards what management recognizes and rewards. When I was a consultant, management did not ignore how happy we made candidates. They ran regular surveys.  However candidates’ happiness or otherwise, was not linked to commission or other rewards, so there was no punishment or incentive to return a candidate’s call or keep candidates informed.

While some agencies recruit consultants based on their industry knowledge and network of contacts, many still recruit based on sales experience or aptitude. A typical sales person focuses on what they need to do to achieve the numbers. That’s not necessarily the same thing as wanting to make people happy.  Many recruitment agencies have responded to this, by restructuring roles around sales and service skill sets. Plus looked at the way they reward people and tried to include the way consultants deliver service. However it is such a difficult balance to get right. With so much money at stake in the industry, and a sales/commission business model that seems to have worked for many years to generate that money, it will take some brave management to do away with it.

The level of measurement in the industry has lent itself to consultants feeling micro-managed. When you are micro-managed you do not feel trusted. I’ve never met anyone who likes this feeling.  That and the sales focus, means that staff turnover in the industry is terribly high which means, in turn, that the level of experience in the industry is low. Consulting and time management skills actually take many years to develop. For an inexperienced consultant, it is impossible to do all the numbers, let alone return everyone’s phone calls. Something’s got to give. And, unfortunately, that’s often you.

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Do you have any weaknesses?

by K B , updated on November 11, 2020

Should you talk about your weaknesses in interview?

I know I am going against popular opinion when I say this, but my view is yes.

So if you are looking here for an easy answer on how to answer the weakness question in interview, then look somewhere else. There are plenty of other sites where you can find a prescribed script.

Most intelligent interviewers want to get a sense of the real you.

OK, they know that you are not going to reveal your worst character flaw. But they do want to get a sense that they are talking to a real person, not an automation who cannot talk about anything other than their strengths. Nor do they really want to employ someone who dodges the question with a cliché answer.

All of the employers we interviewed for our book “What do employers really want” lamented the lack of self awareness among their teams and among people they interviewed.

They simply wanted people to be themselves in interview.

Here’s what one employer said: (She’s a senior executive in the world’s biggest supplier of information.)

-A turn off in interview is when people are constantly in “sell mode”. Sometimes it’s nervousness, so I allow time for an applicant to get through that. Then there are people who use “sell” as a barrier. They are the more difficult ones to deal with, because they will not let the barrier down. I’m not really getting to know them, so why would I want to employ them. I would rather someone say. “Look I have no experience in that area, but I think my skills would work really well, here.”

Another employer, a senior HR Manager, said:

“What turns me off is desperation from a candidate, where people try to oversell themselves, who have given you a 50 page CV and over-emphasized their qualifications. There’s a level of over-kill that some people tend to go past”

Think about it this way.

You are in an interview because the strengths you have, lend themselves to that profession. A weakness you may have, may not actually be a deal breaker. We all know accountants or engineers who are not people people. They are not being hired for that, they are being hired for their technical skills.

The bottom line on talking weaknesses is to be genuine.

Have a real conversation.

If you can show that you understand what you are good at, what you are not good at, then talk about what you are doing about it, then you are coming closer to a real conversation about whether the role is right for you, and whether you are right for the role.

That’s kind of the point of an interview, isn’t it?

PS: Please don’t ask me if you should say that your weakness is that you care too much about the job. I get kind of cranky! 😉


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Yes – you can question your recruitment consultant

by K B , updated on November 11, 2020

Questions to ask the interviewer

I was asked a question this morning about what to ask recruitment consultants in interview. The answer is as much as possible. If you are in the hands of a good consultant, they should have anticipated your questions with the client.  However you can often find that recruitment consultants will be in sales mode. They can have a high commission at stake plus pressure to present any candidate quickly. You want a chance to cut through the sales pitch to find out more about the job and whether you are actually in with a realistic chance of success. So fire away.

1.  Why has the role been created? You want to get an understanding of the challenges you may face. Stepping into a newly created role is completely different to stepping into an existing role, with pre-defined measures of success.

2. How would you describe the working culture or the challenges? I emphasize asking “you.” That brings the question back to their opinion, not what is written down in a job description. You may get a deeper insight that way. A consultant who is not familiar with the client, will probably refer you back to the job description. This should serve as a warning sign to do your own due diligence on the information they provide.

3. Why did the last person leave? This gives you a sense of what may be available within a company. If the last person in the role was promoted, that’s probably a good sign.

4. How does this company define success, and how long will I be given to succeed?

5. What interview process can I expect with your client? What’s their role in the hiring decision? Sometimes there will be two or three people interviewing you at various stages. Each has their own role to play. You need to establish what that is so you can prepare properly.

6. Will you present me to the client? Sometimes consultants will not present you and will not tell you why. A good consultant will tell you why they won’t. A poor one will leave you hanging.

7. What would get in the way of you presenting me to the client? This can open up a franker discussion about your quality as a candidate.

8. How can I improve my interview skills? Ask for feedback. Consultants interview hundreds of people. They should be able to give you one or two pointers, and, if they are presenting you to their clients, it’s in their interest to do so.

9. How many other candidates will you present to the client, and how does my experience compare to theirs? With these questions, you get a sense of your worth in this equation plus how long it may take for them to make a decision about you.

10. Have you worked with this client for a long time? A good consulting relationship takes time to build. So you will want your consultant to at the very least have visited the client. If a consultant works for a long time with a client, they should know more about what makes the organization tick. However, sometimes the consultant’s dealings with the client may be speculative. They may have called the client and suggested they have good candidates, then advertised. If you get a sense that this is the case, then you will need to ask more questions of their client before you make up your mind about a job.

If you’d like help navigating the job market, email me directly on karalyn@interviewiq.com.au, or post a question on the comments section below and I’ll answer it.

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What Emma did next – part 1

by K B , updated on November 11, 2020

First Day Freak-out

The first day of school was tough. On went the uniform, the squeaky new shoes and the oversized backpack. Time to let go – a bit!  Five days a week, six hours a day, he was off learning without me; my life was about to change.

What shocked me was that I could let him go! He was happy and I was nervously ready for something new.  Now there was pressure to earn some dollars, find a career and come back to the ‘adult word’. I didn’t know that world. It had been so long. And I had never found a career to call my own, until now. And now that I wanted to do something specific, I was terrified. What if I’m too old? too far behind? not good enough?

FREAKOUT!

I had friends telling me to get any old job just for some cash flow and everything inside me yelled “NO”. I didn’t know if I was being a spoilt brat, but for the first time in my life I knew what I wanted to do, so why would I do any old job just for the money? So, I didn’t. I dug my heels in and followed my gut.

Where to start.? I looked to people with contacts. I thought, I would just try doors and if nothing happened, then I would get the ‘just for the money’ job. I had some coffees, took some advice and started networking. I also applied for a job as an experiment. The next day I received a phone call to arrange an interview. Butterflies! I had not been to an interview for at least six years.

I decided to fake it until I made it without being fake, putting my acting degree to good use. I researched the company, brainstormed ideas and rehearsed questions and answers on the way to the meeting.

It was a fun experience. It was a long experience. I threw around ideas and chatted like I knew what I was talking about. The one part that was tricky was when he asked about my experience. I am a chronic truth teller, so I found it hard to twist my slight lack of experience into something both truthful and impressive.

I am still waiting to see if I’ve got the job but I’m pretty philosophical about the whole thing. Everything is an experience, you have to try doors to get them to open. And at the end of the day, I know that my kids will love me whether I’m a dismal failure or a roaring success and that’s really all that matters.

Emma Watson

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Graduate resume tips: get active with action words

by K B , updated on November 11, 2020

Graduates take action on your resumes!

Many of my graduate clients seem to use the passive voice on their resumes. I don’t know whether it’s a hangover from writing academic style where nobody claims responsibility, but a resume and interview are two places where you strut your stuff, so to speak.

If you’re confused, ask which of the below sounds more powerful?

“The stuff was strutted by me” = passive

“I strutted my stuff” = active

To give you a more formal example that you might read on a resume:

“The report was written by me” = passive

“I wrote the report” = active

Technically there’s nothing really wrong with the passive  voice on a resume. It’s just a little dull. It’s also a bit wordier and when you are trying to cram every last word into an online resume or application with a strict word limit, the “by” and the “the” add up.

If you’re still not sure what the active voice is, “Word” gives you the option to add “readability statistics” which will come up when you check your spelling and grammar. This will give you the percentage of passive sentences. You can then run the spelling and grammar check over each paragraph on your resume and pick out the offending sentences.

Here are some action words for graduate resumes, or for any resume, really:

Assist
Able
Action
Analysis
Achievement
Accomplished
Advanced
Conduct
Consult
Committed
Conducted
Contributed
Coordinated
Develop
Deliver
Design
Defined
Diversified
Devoted
Distinguished
Encourage
Earned
Enhance
Evaluate
Examined
Extended
Facilitate
Formulate
Fulfilled
Forecasted
Generated
Gained
Gathered
Gave
Headed
Hosted
Identified
Implemented
Improved
Improvised
Influenced
Launched
Lobbied
Maintained
Managed
Marketed
Maximized
Mediated
Modernized
Motivated
Negotiated
Observed
Obtained
Operated
Organized
Originated
Oversaw
Participated
Performed
Pioneered
Planned
Prepared
Presented
Promoted
Provided
Published
Pursued
Quantified
Ranked
Received
Recommended
Redesigned
Reengineered
Reorganized
Represented
Restructured
Revised
Safeguarded
Secured
Selected
Specified
Spearheaded
Standardized
Strengthened
Structured
Suggested
Superseded
Supervised
Targeted
Taught
Tested
Trained
Transformed
Transcended
Unified
Upgraded
Utilized
Validated
Valued
Wrote

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